Friday, August 1st, 2014

Who’s In, Who’s Out For the Music City Bowl?

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23 Suspensions on the football team, 25 total will not play.

Among those that WILL play, Drew Weatherford, Preston Parker, Antone Smith and Greg Carr on the offensive side of the ball. On defense,  Geno Hayes and Derek Nicholson will play.  Who won’t? At least 11 players with starting experiences and others that we’ve seen in plenty of games, plus some walk-ons and scout team guys.  Names will not be released, but it will be obvious long before the team boards the plane to go to the MCB who’s in and who’s out.

So what do the readers think? Who is responsible? Has Bobby Bowden lost control, or is it the players’ responsibility to stay out of this kind of trouble? Do you think FSU did the right thing by self reporting these infractions, in an era where the NCAA doesn’t have the resources to investigate many of these cases? And how many other Seminole sports will be affected?

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14 Responses to “Who’s In, Who’s Out For the Music City Bowl?”
  1. Randy says:

    It’s a shared responsibility. These kids are here to play sports number 1 and go to school number 2. The kids have to use common sense as the coaches can not baby sit these players every waking moment of the day and night (obviously some players like to be out past their bed times getting into fights at clubs, but I degress).

    FSU absolutely did the right thing coming forward on it’s own, because the NCAA tends to be more lenient when that is the case. Those cases where the NCAA finds out themselves, usually ends with them coming down hard and issuing stiff penalties. Those penalties can ruin a program (look at the Michigan basketball team, they still haven’t recovered from the boosters paying players scandal).

  2. NoleCCNo Gravatar says:

    Common sense seems to be leaving the general public, not just student athletes. As for the comparison to Michigan hoops, is academic cheating in the same class as booster payments? (I’m not saying it isn’t, just posing the question.)

  3. gatorhippyNo Gravatar says:

    Looking at the press release from the NCAA on this back in December…

    It seems they find academic cheating MORE grievous considering that this sort of thing is more of a “lack of institutional control” meaning that it is within control of the school while booster infractions are often not…

    The problem I see is that their is ramifications institutionally as academics and in the NCAA area as well…

    JMHO…

  4. gatorhippyNo Gravatar says:

    Oops…

    I meant back in September…

    I’ll dig up that link…

  5. NoleCCNo Gravatar says:

    Good info GH… it’ll be interesting to see if the NCAA is satisfied what FSU is doing internally to rectify this situation.

  6. NoleCCNo Gravatar says:

    Good find GH, I hadn’t seen that specific press release. Then again, I’m not a big fan of the NCAA or it’s collective stupidity, so I don’t read a lot of the stuff that comes out of there. It should continue to be an interesting story well in to next season.

    I’m still waiting to see what other sports are involved with this class.

  7. gatorhippyNo Gravatar says:

    Yeah, it’s always hard to tell what they’re going to do…

    IMO, things like the whole Jeremy Bloom incident are ludicrous when (no offense here) they will allow former proffessional athletes to compete…

    I have been looking for an article I remebered back around the same time all of this broke and Lennon was quoted as calling this incident at FSU one of the most “grievous” incidents of academic infractions ever…

    I found that ironic given the Charlie Pell jazz at UF was labeled the same back in the ’80′s…

  8. NoleCCNo Gravatar says:

    Grievous, I think there have been plenty of other incidents that are just as bad if not worse at many major universities. They like to make headlines for themselves though. For me the bottom line is this: It’s wrong, and the students involved should be punished. But what annoys me is how some people are blowing this up even more than the current situation. It was 1 tutor, and many student athletes in one class. Yes it’s bad, but it’s not “widespread” imho, it’s a bunch of stupid young adults doing something very, very stupid.

    I just wish the student athletes who did it had more respect for themselves. I didn’t cheat when I attended FSU and I took a couple of 45′s on tests that sucked, but it was my own damn fault for not studying. People should suck it up.

  9. gatorhippyNo Gravatar says:

    Exactly…

    When I finally realized that all I had to do was go to class, pay attention, participate in discussion and take good notes; i reduced my study time outside of class by like 75 percent…

    College ain’t that hard if you do what you’re supposed to…

    I think the line that is treaded between booster based infractions and academic infractions in the end is the “institutional control” theme…

    The NCAA has a pretty consistent track record of hammering harder for infractions that are university based internally rather than rogue booster type stuff…

    You guys keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best but it might get worse before it gets better IMO…

  10. fsudad says:

    “imho, it’s a bunch of stupid young adults doing something very, very stupid.”

    I think you should know what your talking about before you label these student athletes as stupid young adults. Not all of the accused are football players, and not all are guilty of anything. They are just caught up in this mess because they were registered in the class.

  11. NoleCCNo Gravatar says:

    fsudad,

    I didn’t mean to point the finger at those that have done no wrong, I meant in a general term about how young adults (I refused to refer to them as kids) make stupid mistakes, because, in fact, we’re all pretty stupid when we’re young and figuring things out. It’s a mistake by those involved, and it’s sad for FSU, because yes, a few (in this case those that have done wrong in that specific class) make the many (other students and student athletes) look bad.

  12. gatorhippyNo Gravatar says:

    “These kids are here to play sports number 1 and go to school number 2″…

    Randy, that type of backwards prioritizing is exactly what has caused this mess for FSU…

  13. NoleCCNo Gravatar says:

    Pay no attention to Randy… he’s a Michigan fan for crying out loud. (j/k Randy). Sadly though, I think he’s right about that attitude at MANY of the universities out there.