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		<title>By: Florida State Seminoles Sports Blog and Photo Album - I Told You So: FSU Football Season Ticket Sales Declining Again &#183; ScalpEm.com</title>
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		<title>By: NoleCC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoleCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough I&#039;d disagree about Miami.  I don&#039;t think the Randy Shannon era is going to be any better than the Larry Coker era.  They&#039;ve been exposed for a lack of recruiting talent, and I doubt they&#039;ll be upper echelon material for at least another 2-3 years.

But then again, I&#039;ve been wrong before.

As for FSU and UF, I make no predictions yet, but I don&#039;t think either team with be in the hunt for a MNC this season when they meet in Gainesville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough I&#8217;d disagree about Miami.  I don&#8217;t think the Randy Shannon era is going to be any better than the Larry Coker era.  They&#8217;ve been exposed for a lack of recruiting talent, and I doubt they&#8217;ll be upper echelon material for at least another 2-3 years.</p>
<p>But then again, I&#8217;ve been wrong before.</p>
<p>As for FSU and UF, I make no predictions yet, but I don&#8217;t think either team with be in the hunt for a MNC this season when they meet in Gainesville.</p>
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		<title>By: UFGatorDMD</title>
		<link>http://www.scalpem.com/blog/2007/08/02/are-fsu-football-season-ticket-prices-too-high/comment-page-1/#comment-13354</link>
		<dc:creator>UFGatorDMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 00:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree.  I think it&#039;s a shame that there aren&#039;t enough true fans to fill the stadium, though.  If the tickets aren&#039;t sold out next year I might just try to buy season tickets just to see the UF game!
Obviously I&#039;m not a Nole fan, by any stretch of the imagination, but I&#039;d like the teams in the state of Florida to do well...
I guess it&#039;s some sort of Florida pride.  I used to like to see UF, FSU, and even Miami ranked in the top 10 every year.  Miami actually seems a bit closer to regaining this status than FSU at the moment...but maybe the new coaches can take the decent talent you have and make them into winners.
So good luck with FSU getting better (just not good enough to beat UF!)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree.  I think it&#8217;s a shame that there aren&#8217;t enough true fans to fill the stadium, though.  If the tickets aren&#8217;t sold out next year I might just try to buy season tickets just to see the UF game!<br />
Obviously I&#8217;m not a Nole fan, by any stretch of the imagination, but I&#8217;d like the teams in the state of Florida to do well&#8230;<br />
I guess it&#8217;s some sort of Florida pride.  I used to like to see UF, FSU, and even Miami ranked in the top 10 every year.  Miami actually seems a bit closer to regaining this status than FSU at the moment&#8230;but maybe the new coaches can take the decent talent you have and make them into winners.<br />
So good luck with FSU getting better (just not good enough to beat UF!)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NoleCC</title>
		<link>http://www.scalpem.com/blog/2007/08/02/are-fsu-football-season-ticket-prices-too-high/comment-page-1/#comment-13351</link>
		<dc:creator>NoleCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DMD, 

Flattery will get you everywhere. lol.

As for the renewed enthusiasm, I can&#039;t speak for the team since I&#039;m not part of it, but I do agree that a lot of fans are cautious and rightfully so.  Let&#039;s be honest, if the downward spiral at FSU doesn&#039;t end soon, there are going to be many lean years ahead for the Seminoles of Florida State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DMD, </p>
<p>Flattery will get you everywhere. lol.</p>
<p>As for the renewed enthusiasm, I can&#8217;t speak for the team since I&#8217;m not part of it, but I do agree that a lot of fans are cautious and rightfully so.  Let&#8217;s be honest, if the downward spiral at FSU doesn&#8217;t end soon, there are going to be many lean years ahead for the Seminoles of Florida State.</p>
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		<title>By: UFGatorDMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>UFGatorDMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I read the article.  And the GC thread is an entertaining poke at a rival that&#039;s currently looking ahead at some tough rebuilding.  In fact, I came over here (to Scalp&#039;Em) fully expecting to see a bunch of garnet and gold mystified unrealistic chumps...I&#039;m a bit disappointed to see that you&#039;re actually pretty insightful, intelligent, and realistic about much of the current status of the program and the potential future of the program.  However, with that in mind, it does actually make it easier to communicate and even argue certain points with you...so that&#039;s great!  The TD article&#039;s positive spin is really stemming from the supposed &quot;renewed enthusiasm,&quot; which by most accounts is pretty much marginal, at best. But they do say that it hasn&#039;t translated into significantly more ticket sales, and I would expect the FSU staff to try to put any kind of positive spin on it as possible, because that&#039;s their job.  I&#039;d never imply that CFB tickets at a large state university are the most affordable form of entertainment out there, but when you compare FSU to other popular universities, there&#039;s a comparative &quot;value&quot; to your ticket pricing and the ease of which you can obtain season tickets is just unreal (compared to UF)!  My point is simply that the product price has exceeded &quot;fan&quot; demand, and that it wouldn&#039;t be considered too expensive with a contender FSU team.  Ticket prices really haven&#039;t gone up that much in the last few years, but on the field success, and therefore interest in attending games, has gone down.  If the product was better, there wouldn&#039;t be any complaints.  It&#039;s just that all of those &quot;diehard&quot; fans are off the bandwagon, not that ticket prices are too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I read the article.  And the GC thread is an entertaining poke at a rival that&#8217;s currently looking ahead at some tough rebuilding.  In fact, I came over here (to Scalp&#8217;Em) fully expecting to see a bunch of garnet and gold mystified unrealistic chumps&#8230;I&#8217;m a bit disappointed to see that you&#8217;re actually pretty insightful, intelligent, and realistic about much of the current status of the program and the potential future of the program.  However, with that in mind, it does actually make it easier to communicate and even argue certain points with you&#8230;so that&#8217;s great!  The TD article&#8217;s positive spin is really stemming from the supposed &#8220;renewed enthusiasm,&#8221; which by most accounts is pretty much marginal, at best. But they do say that it hasn&#8217;t translated into significantly more ticket sales, and I would expect the FSU staff to try to put any kind of positive spin on it as possible, because that&#8217;s their job.  I&#8217;d never imply that CFB tickets at a large state university are the most affordable form of entertainment out there, but when you compare FSU to other popular universities, there&#8217;s a comparative &#8220;value&#8221; to your ticket pricing and the ease of which you can obtain season tickets is just unreal (compared to UF)!  My point is simply that the product price has exceeded &#8220;fan&#8221; demand, and that it wouldn&#8217;t be considered too expensive with a contender FSU team.  Ticket prices really haven&#8217;t gone up that much in the last few years, but on the field success, and therefore interest in attending games, has gone down.  If the product was better, there wouldn&#8217;t be any complaints.  It&#8217;s just that all of those &#8220;diehard&#8221; fans are off the bandwagon, not that ticket prices are too much.</p>
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		<title>By: NoleCC</title>
		<link>http://www.scalpem.com/blog/2007/08/02/are-fsu-football-season-ticket-prices-too-high/comment-page-1/#comment-13266</link>
		<dc:creator>NoleCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 02:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey DMD do you actually read the article, or just the headline and then point to Gator Country with a thread that is mildly funny, but generally just a bunch of Gator BS?  How is the Tallahassee Democrat article &quot;spin&quot; when it fully admits to declining ticket sales? How are all the websites out there believing in a dream coaching  staff, when there has been plenty of what-if&#039;s along with a caution optimism?

Get the swamp water out of your eyes.  

And FYI, I&#039;m still getting my tickets, but you can&#039;t tell me for a second that they&#039;re the most affordable form of entertainment out there. It&#039;s like NASCAR, years ago it was great, and then it got far too commercialized for its own good and tickets are ridiculous in price now.

Someday the average joe is just going to have to be happy watching the game on an HDTV, even though it&#039;s 10 minutes down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey DMD do you actually read the article, or just the headline and then point to Gator Country with a thread that is mildly funny, but generally just a bunch of Gator BS?  How is the Tallahassee Democrat article &#8220;spin&#8221; when it fully admits to declining ticket sales? How are all the websites out there believing in a dream coaching  staff, when there has been plenty of what-if&#8217;s along with a caution optimism?</p>
<p>Get the swamp water out of your eyes.  </p>
<p>And FYI, I&#8217;m still getting my tickets, but you can&#8217;t tell me for a second that they&#8217;re the most affordable form of entertainment out there. It&#8217;s like NASCAR, years ago it was great, and then it got far too commercialized for its own good and tickets are ridiculous in price now.</p>
<p>Someday the average joe is just going to have to be happy watching the game on an HDTV, even though it&#8217;s 10 minutes down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: UFGatorDMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>UFGatorDMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how much did ticket prices go up this year as opposed to last?  For loyal fans that want to see Seminole football, the season tix are a great deal.  As for $$$ contributions, you&#039;re way on the cheap side.  There&#039;s a school east of you that you need to make near a $12,000 &quot;donation&quot; just to have a chance to get tickets at high altitude.  The truth of the matter is that if FSU was fielding a team that could contend for any kind of championship, you&#039;d all be buying tix (yes, even if you&#039;re playing Duke and UAB at home)...but they&#039;re not, and you&#039;re not.  Vote with your wallet, that&#039;s the most reasonable way to tell the University that you&#039;re not pleased with the direction of the program.  If the team rebounds to respectability, you&#039;ll probably sell more tickets as the bandwagon refills.  Good luck on that, but don&#039;t expect ticket prices to go down while Bobby&#039;s paying for his dream team of assistants and you&#039;re paying for that little Jeffy mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how much did ticket prices go up this year as opposed to last?  For loyal fans that want to see Seminole football, the season tix are a great deal.  As for $$$ contributions, you&#8217;re way on the cheap side.  There&#8217;s a school east of you that you need to make near a $12,000 &#8220;donation&#8221; just to have a chance to get tickets at high altitude.  The truth of the matter is that if FSU was fielding a team that could contend for any kind of championship, you&#8217;d all be buying tix (yes, even if you&#8217;re playing Duke and UAB at home)&#8230;but they&#8217;re not, and you&#8217;re not.  Vote with your wallet, that&#8217;s the most reasonable way to tell the University that you&#8217;re not pleased with the direction of the program.  If the team rebounds to respectability, you&#8217;ll probably sell more tickets as the bandwagon refills.  Good luck on that, but don&#8217;t expect ticket prices to go down while Bobby&#8217;s paying for his dream team of assistants and you&#8217;re paying for that little Jeffy mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: NoleCC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoleCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 13:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GH, 

I don&#039;t think any of us really though that Seminole Boosters, Inc would flat out pay for it.  The little guy always gets screwed in the end.  He&#039;s being paid directly from the concessions, which thrills many of us to no end, since a water or soda is likely to be $5+ thanks to Aramark, the Boosters and Jeff.  It&#039;s not like we can avoid buying it either, since Doak doesn&#039;t see cool weather until November, if we&#039;re lucky.

Hopefully though, Seminole fans will be sweating more from the heat than from the mediocre play on the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GH, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think any of us really though that Seminole Boosters, Inc would flat out pay for it.  The little guy always gets screwed in the end.  He&#8217;s being paid directly from the concessions, which thrills many of us to no end, since a water or soda is likely to be $5+ thanks to Aramark, the Boosters and Jeff.  It&#8217;s not like we can avoid buying it either, since Doak doesn&#8217;t see cool weather until November, if we&#8217;re lucky.</p>
<p>Hopefully though, Seminole fans will be sweating more from the heat than from the mediocre play on the field.</p>
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		<title>By: gatorhippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>gatorhippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 03:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you guys really think that the Boosters Inc. was gonna pay for the next 5 years on Jeff&#039;s &quot;contract&quot;?

Of course not...

Season ticket holders will pay it...

Through tickets, contributions, and concessions...

$5 says that Semiboosters raises the &quot;donation level next year...

It&#039;s happening everywhere...

My seats at BHG are going to see rate increases in booster &quot;donation&quot; each year over the next 3 years...

However, the per seat face value is still $35 as of last season...

Cheaper than other SEC tickets mostly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you guys really think that the Boosters Inc. was gonna pay for the next 5 years on Jeff&#8217;s &#8220;contract&#8221;?</p>
<p>Of course not&#8230;</p>
<p>Season ticket holders will pay it&#8230;</p>
<p>Through tickets, contributions, and concessions&#8230;</p>
<p>$5 says that Semiboosters raises the &#8220;donation level next year&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s happening everywhere&#8230;</p>
<p>My seats at BHG are going to see rate increases in booster &#8220;donation&#8221; each year over the next 3 years&#8230;</p>
<p>However, the per seat face value is still $35 as of last season&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheaper than other SEC tickets mostly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear ya. But tix are still a bargain compared to places like UT where you gotta make outrageous booster contributions to sit in the upper deck of the end zone and watch ant-size shapes half a mile away.

Compare the FSU football experience to a big-name concert. You&#039;re talking at least $100 a ticket.

Broadway seats that used to go for $80 are now triple that.

Bottom line:  How much does it mean to you?

Now, playing the devil&#039;s advocate: college sports have gotta get a handle on costs or they&#039;ll price tickets out of the reach of the average fan, much like the NFL has become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear ya. But tix are still a bargain compared to places like UT where you gotta make outrageous booster contributions to sit in the upper deck of the end zone and watch ant-size shapes half a mile away.</p>
<p>Compare the FSU football experience to a big-name concert. You&#8217;re talking at least $100 a ticket.</p>
<p>Broadway seats that used to go for $80 are now triple that.</p>
<p>Bottom line:  How much does it mean to you?</p>
<p>Now, playing the devil&#8217;s advocate: college sports have gotta get a handle on costs or they&#8217;ll price tickets out of the reach of the average fan, much like the NFL has become.</p>
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